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March 17, 2008

Basic Packages Missing in Text-Only Install

by @ 12:23 pm. Filed under command-line, General SUSE, SUSE releases

Basic system packages are missing in the text-only install (and minimal graphic install) of OpenSUSE 10.3, from what I can tell. I installed a machine using the minimal graphical install. When finished, I found that basic packages like ‘man’ and ‘ping’ and ‘vim’ and some other basic commands were missing. The ‘crontab’ was missing, for the love of all that is holy.

Searching around, I found advice on how to install the missing packages, which is useless, because I’m already slightly familiar with package installation with YAST. What I would like to find is a plausable explanation for why such basic packages are missing from the text-only install. ESPECIALLY when such packages were installed in the text-only installs of previous versions of OpenSUSE.

Seriously, this is one of those “slap me in the face with a 2×4” duh types of things. Why on the face of this planet would they make such a decision? If there is a good explanation, I am dying to know the answer. Anyone with some insight is more than welcome to share their thoughts.

Anyone wanna help me out here?

5 Responses to “Basic Packages Missing in Text-Only Install”

  1. Knusper Says:

    maybe file a bug… I’m really interested to see where it leads 🙂

  2. Jared Ottley Says:

    I one for think that this is great. But I may be a corner case. A truly minimal install is great for building virtual machines, appliances, etc. These “basic system packages” take up a lot of space and time (going into remove all the stuff I don’t need.)

    If I want the beauty of openSUSE, without the packages I don’t want end users to get at in my appliance, I need something that basically gives the the kernel and a command prompt. From here I have my base from which I can add the packages that I need to accomplish what I want/need.

  3. Benjamin Weber Says:

    The /minimal base/ pattern is as minimal as possible. It is the absolute minimum you need for a working system, and to install more software.

    There are also patterns for a more complete text only or graphical base systems. If that’s what you want don’t select the minimal system. A lot of people have requested to have a very minimal system in addition to the other more complete options.

    One of the things missing in 10.3 is a “Server Default” option, which lead to a lot of people, such as yourself, installing the minimal system instead.

  4. Quentin Jackson Says:

    Well, the above comments may be valid, but what would be interesting is does the minimal install with the GUI install the same packages as the minimal install with the text only method. That is what it would appear this is leading to. Reading into it a bit further I’ve noticed over recent versions of opensuse all sorts of horrible bugs get through which with all the help of Novell would never have been a problem had the release been managed PROPERLY. So far however with the exception of an annoying regression of SMB I’ve found 10.3 to be the best version since 9.3. Everything in between with the exception of SLED 10 has been crapola quality IMHO. 🙂 If I recall (not to disrespect the good work the prior guy did) there is a new guy managing 10.3 than there was with 10.2 which may explain it’s sudden increase in build quality. Certainly are a lot more updates coming out these days (thanks Novell :))

  5. Scott Morris Says:

    Thanks for the comments. Those are useful insights and suggestions. I find it a little annoying that it used to work without additional effort, and now I have to do more to get what I used to get. They really just need an installer that reads my mind. 🙂

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